"All the women in the room will now veil their faces....."
sheepherder Dec. 2014
Why do you think the women have to veil their faces in the temple?
Is it because God is so offended at seeing their femininity that he doesn't want to see their face?
And why make them bow their head and say "yes?"
Liz
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Joseph Smith began that during the secret days of polygamy when he didn't want anyone to know who being joined in a celestial sealing according to the law of Abraham. Polygamy.
At least that is what I was told.
Now I believe it was all just to make sure the women obeyed and didn't flirt with the other men in the room while the sealing took place.
Bowing indicates subservient behavior as when Obama bowed lower than one of the Asian dictators. How low you go depends on how low your self esteem seems to be, or your self imposed class standing.
Veiling faces for women also means nobody can see their expressions. I once saw a woman stick out her tongue at that part of the endowment. I was glad my veil covered my silent laughter, as loud laughter was forbidden.
Thankfully those days are over!
byuboner
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This always bothered me too but I didn't give it much thought as I just promised to slit my throat, slash my chest, and cut my bowels out. F.... cult! The Boner.
hello
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A post from many months back in this site said that the women veiled their faces during those parts of the endowment where god was entering the room (such as the true order of prayer), and the veiling was to signify that unlike the men, the women do not have direct access to god thru their priesthood, and so must cover their faces to so signify.
gentlestrength
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Why do I think women are required to veil their faces in the Mormon temple?
Because a burka is just too much to require, only fundamentalist faiths require burkas.
Why do I think they are required to bow their head an say "yes"
I don't think it is good, but look forward to hearing what others have to say, especially women.
Liz
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That makes me wonder why I ever sat through it. The idea that god enters a room and since women do not have direct access to god they must cover their faces to so signify the lack of access is ridiculous.
Amazing ideas floating around. Perhaps the real reason women veil their faces will only be known by Joseph Smith himself. Women were all the same to him so he didn't really need to know who was under that veil of secrecy.
As long as he was obeyed it didn't matter. As long as he got what he wanted it didn't matter.
I wonder if a woman refuses to veil her face what would happen. Escorted out? Perhaps making a fuss is the best thing to getting it changed.
I'd like to see the men veil their faces and see how they like it....no wait. They'd fall asleep for sure.
Liz
Bow your head and say yes.....
was the only answer Joseph Smith would accept from a woman that he wanted.
If she refused, he would ruin her reputation.
Bow your head and say yes has Joseph Smith's sexual exploits written all over it.
roslyn
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I don't know the reason and at the end of the day it doesn't matter to me, all that matters about it is that it just shows that in the eyes of the church I as a woman am less than a man and that's all I need to know. Such bullcrap.
sophia
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I have read on FB that a number of women have refused to veil, and that temple presidents in some places have instructed workers not to force the issue. Also I've read several first hand accounts of women who do not veil. One said she regularly doesn't veil and the last time she went the temple worker asked her something like, "Did you intend not to veil?" and when she said yes the worker just said OK.
There was a significant discussion on this in a FB group that I follow awhile back.
michaelc1945
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I love Mormon speak.
jpt
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I wonder if this is also occurring at funerals with surviving members refusing to veil the deceased... by either person's desire. Could be an interesting family conflict.
hangar18
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Because in mormon minds, a bare face leads to bare arms, which lead to bare shoulders, which lead to bare breasts, which lead to bare boinking.
snuckafoodberry
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Because obedient, covered and controlled is the price women have to pay for being beautiful to men's eyes. It is what religion has sought to do to us throughout the ages. If we don't do those required things and something bad happens to us, then it is of our own doing. Men aren't to be blamed for what they might do. We are the gate keepers after all.
There are all sorts of conniving and deceptive ways that is achieved. One of the biggest is to convince women of their place and role, and to make them happy about it.
sophia
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Years ago I put in writing in my burial plans that I did not want my face veiled. That was when I thought I would be buried in temple clothes. I think that when my mother dies I will not veil her face. I'm not sure I'm even going to dress her up in her temple clothes. It won't be a family issue. She is active in the church but nobody else is. I'm sure she expects to be buried in temple clothes but she wouldn't care if she were not. Her friends at the funeral would be shocked, though. But they wouldn't know about the face veil because that would happen with only the family present, and no one in the family will object.
Rodolfo NLI
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I always thought that the womens' veil was symbolic of the hidden mother in heaven, and also symbolic of the hidden priesthood power that women would be finally permitted to exercise in the after life.
verilyverily
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"And why make them bow their head and say "yes?" - they will be doing this for the rest of their lives. Why not start in the temple?
poopstone
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It's because of the curse of Eve. Woman show symbolic respect to Man. It's an ancient custom. The Pauline epistles says: 1 Corinthians 11:7-12
"A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man."
Why's everyone confused about this? Isn't it obvious?
torturednevermo
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"For man did not come from woman, but woman from man"
Actually, didn't biology teach us that we all start out in the womb with a YY chromosome (female), but then sometimes a mutation happens and it changes into an XY chromosome (male)? Meaning man came from woman and not vice-versa? See men, we are mutants …the result of a defective chromosome.
Women rock …just ask my wife!
I hope I remembered my biology correctly, high school was a long, long time ago for me. Back in the stone age with Dino and Bam-Bam.
Ladedah
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I was told it was because the women cried a lot during the prayer and this gave them privacy to cry. I remembered thinking that was a weird reason, but whatever, it wasn't for the whole ceremony. I never cried, and I'm a crier.
The StalkerDog™
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Sure, it's obvious Paul was a misogynist!
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